ORGANIZERS' MEETING LOG - 27 Dec 2010


2010-12-27 15:53:30 [Login] dearmyrtle
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2010-12-27 16:00:27 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Welcome, Scott!
2010-12-27 16:00:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: As we begin our meeting -- I'd like to refer everyone to the agenda....
2010-12-27 16:00:37 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: Hi Pat and Gene
2010-12-27 16:00:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: message/view/Chat/32097580
2010-12-27 16:00:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We'll follow that agenda pretty much.
2010-12-27 16:01:17 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: (skyped with russ a bit ago on FTM help ... expect him)
2010-12-27 16:01:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: With everyone's permission, I'll be recording the session --- and then posting it unedited as we do. Please reply in the affirmative if you approve of the recording...
2010-12-27 16:01:43 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yes
2010-12-27 16:01:51 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Aye
2010-12-27 16:01:53 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes
2010-12-27 16:01:54 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Yes
2010-12-27 16:01:57 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: Yes
2010-12-27 16:02:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok
2010-12-27 16:02:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: =================================
2010-12-27 16:02:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Welcome everyone!
2010-12-27 16:02:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We hodl this meeting each week
2010-12-27 16:02:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: to be sure the needs of the coders are being met....
2010-12-27 16:02:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and that cohesion between the wiki and the blog happens.
2010-12-27 16:02:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and to bounce ideas back and forth in real time.
2010-12-27 16:02:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:02:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:03:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: FIRST on the agenda is the setting of a BetterGEDCOM large meeting ---
2010-12-27 16:03:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: date/
2010-12-27 16:03:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: time
2010-12-27 16:03:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and agenda.
2010-12-27 16:03:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We're ready to move in that direction... and get some things done.
2010-12-27 16:03:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I serve as your servant -- since I am obviously an end user.
2010-12-27 16:03:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Taumra -- you are the one most inconvenienced by an afternoon mtg.
2010-12-27 16:04:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and Andy -- you hoped for a weekend meeting.
2010-12-27 16:04:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: What are your thoughts on that?
2010-12-27 16:04:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:04:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:04:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anyone?
2010-12-27 16:04:32 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I'm open.
2010-12-27 16:04:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: me too ---\
2010-12-27 16:04:40 [Action] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: would love afternoon meetings.
2010-12-27 16:04:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: your type of afternoon ---- LOL.
2010-12-27 16:04:57 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Well- not hoped for but was thinking it might be easier on others- I'm retired and can attend anytime- 2AM if needed ;)
2010-12-27 16:05:12 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2010-12-27 16:05:25 [Login] opengen
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2010-12-27 16:05:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Do we want a morning meeting on the first available Saturday?
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2010-12-27 16:05:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: other than New Years' Day?
2010-12-27 16:06:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Scott, you are AppleTree, and OpenGen is Rysa?
2010-12-27 16:06:04 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Saturday mornings aren't bad for me.
2010-12-27 16:06:11 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: Pat, you are exactly correct
2010-12-27 16:06:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: thanks
2010-12-27 16:06:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Welcome, Rysa.
2010-12-27 16:06:51 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: <-- is not a footbal fan so even New Year's Day is ok with me :)
2010-12-27 16:06:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok, so how about focusing on Saturday the 8th of January 2011 in the morning like 10am Pacific -----
2010-12-27 16:07:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: New Years Day is really a holiday .
2010-12-27 16:07:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: family time
2010-12-27 16:07:12 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I can certainly do New Years Day ... but I might be in the minority
2010-12-27 16:07:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: which genealogists tend to like.
2010-12-27 16:07:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how about Sunday the 2nd --
2010-12-27 16:07:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: if you prefer an earlier mtg.
2010-12-27 16:07:56 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: So gather family around the monitor and show then how genealogy gets developed :)
2010-12-27 16:08:06 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I can also do the 2nd
2010-12-27 16:08:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: my grandkids would prefer the wii or x-box! LOL.
2010-12-27 16:08:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 2nd sounds ok.
2010-12-27 16:08:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what is 10am Pafici US for you Tamura...?
2010-12-27 16:08:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: doable?
2010-12-27 16:08:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Louis?
2010-12-27 16:08:49 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Good for me.
2010-12-27 16:08:52 [Action] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: thinks in UTC and thinks it will be fine.
2010-12-27 16:09:09 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: 10am PST on the 2nd is great
2010-12-27 16:09:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok, I'll set the calendar to include 2 Jan 10am Pacific US time.
2010-12-27 16:09:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: its a go.
2010-12-27 16:09:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: now --
2010-12-27 16:09:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: PRIOR to that meeting --
2010-12-27 16:09:27 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: (Yeah)
2010-12-27 16:09:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: can we consider a method of agreeing at a consensus when developing each "module" of the standard?
2010-12-27 16:10:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'd like you all to consider the German method
2010-12-27 16:10:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes
2010-12-27 16:10:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes -- I am live with it
2010-12-27 16:10:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: or no -- that is an impossible option for me.
2010-12-27 16:10:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but whatever method you devise is great.
2010-12-27 16:10:46 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: What is the "German" method?
2010-12-27 16:10:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes, yes or no as described above.
2010-12-27 16:11:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 21 programmers manage to agree -- and they each have their own independent software companies
2010-12-27 16:11:27 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I've been thinking about that... seems to me end users are supremely unknowledgable about techie things- so should they be included in teckie "consencus" things?
2010-12-27 16:11:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: they are cooperating in an innovatieve
2010-12-27 16:11:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: they are cooperating in an innovatieveGREAT question -- andy...
2010-12-27 16:11:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I certainly don't feel qwualified to vote.
2010-12-27 16:12:01 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Does that mean everyone needs to be yes or yes can live with it?
2010-12-27 16:12:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: no -- it means that those two need to outweigh the number of "no" votes
2010-12-27 16:12:30 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: <-- doesn't understand it well enough to weigh in
2010-12-27 16:12:34 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes ... Yes can live with it or I need more information.
2010-12-27 16:12:46 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: Is there a link to this consensus of opinion German model?
2010-12-27 16:13:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: It was mentioned in our wiki -- offered as a suggestion by that group to us.
2010-12-27 16:13:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok
2010-12-27 16:13:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what things need to be "discussed on the wiki" in preparation for that Large Group meeting ont he 2nd?
2010-12-27 16:13:45 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Wish theywould do a translatable Web page so I could google it.
2010-12-27 16:13:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I don't know where you guys (generic term) are in your coding.
2010-12-27 16:14:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anything to iron out theoretically prior to the Jan 2nd mtg.
2010-12-27 16:14:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: You know -- we will be inviting a lot of the lurkers --
2010-12-27 16:14:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and so FamilySearch won't attend on Sunday
2010-12-27 16:14:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nor will Bruce Buzbee of RootsMagic
2010-12-27 16:15:00 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: You probably need to work up a rather detailed agenda- with that many newbies.
2010-12-27 16:15:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and the agenda will need to be developed by you all...
2010-12-27 16:15:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as the terms you'll be discussing are so foreign to me.
2010-12-27 16:15:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Because of the Sunday thing -- perhaps we should move the meeting to Monday 3rd.
2010-12-27 16:16:05 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I suggest an obvious new wiki page for that agenda, so that the agenda can be openly discussed and developed.
2010-12-27 16:16:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: right -- that discussion will be in the chat area....
2010-12-27 16:16:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as we've been doing thus far... may as well keep them all together.
2010-12-27 16:16:45 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: If moving it will get FamilySearch and RootsMagic here- move it! :)
2010-12-27 16:16:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I second that -- just didn't think it through earlier.
2010-12-27 16:17:05 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Why don't they want to meet on Sunday?
2010-12-27 16:17:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so we'll have it on the 2rd of January.
2010-12-27 16:17:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: It is the sabbath -- day of rest, attending church and to fmaily.
2010-12-27 16:17:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: family.
2010-12-27 16:17:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 3rd
2010-12-27 16:17:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kk.
2010-12-27 16:17:30 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: For the agenda, I suggest a wiki PAGE rather than just discussion.
2010-12-27 16:17:35 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Sabbath is Jewish tradition, and roughly Saturday, not Sunday.
2010-12-27 16:17:37 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: We could get lost in the discussions
2010-12-27 16:18:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Tamura -- I am also LDS, and am aware of the observance those two entities will likely honor.
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2010-12-27 16:18:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we want to make it easy for them to attend.
2010-12-27 16:18:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ;)
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2010-12-27 16:18:33 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Back on topic ... I'm concerned about 1. Consensus ...
2010-12-27 16:18:35 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: wb, Rysa
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2010-12-27 16:18:55 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: So far on the wiki, there hasn't been much consensus.
2010-12-27 16:19:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: someone will have to glue Rysa to her seat.
2010-12-27 16:19:07 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I don't think 51% consensus will work.
2010-12-27 16:19:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I am aware of that
2010-12-27 16:19:19 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: ;)
2010-12-27 16:19:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: now that you've hashed out a lot of things
2010-12-27 16:19:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: perhaps folks are willing to beging arriving at a consensus.
2010-12-27 16:19:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: perhaps folks are willing to beging arriving at a consensus.
2010-12-27 16:19:52 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: I'd really like to know what this German consensus of opinion is about
2010-12-27 16:20:06 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: I can only find brief mentions of it on the BetterGEDCOM wiki
2010-12-27 16:20:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: You may certainly discuss that with them on the wiki.
2010-12-27 16:20:16 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: <-- think Ole Myrt borrowed the revolving Door from Velke's chat room!
2010-12-27 16:20:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: or personally... there is email availabel through the wiki.
2010-12-27 16:20:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: moving forward
2010-12-27 16:20:33 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: We are talking about creating a standard. If you can't get 98% of the people putting the standard together to agree on it, how can you get everyone else?
2010-12-27 16:20:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Louis -- I trust that this will work out eventually...
2010-12-27 16:20:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: no one said it would be easy, but then
2010-12-27 16:20:58 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: VALRES discussion in Non-Techie Viewpoints message/view/home/29434177#31196021
2010-12-27 16:21:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: things of value are not easily achieved, are then.
2010-12-27 16:21:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:21:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:21:27 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: "I just want to inform you, that a group of 21 German speaking authors of various programs have joint into a vivid discussion on how to use GEDCOM 5.5.1 correctly. As a simple user I was surprised about the differences in interpretation the GEDCOM draft."
2010-12-27 16:21:56 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: thank you GeneJ
2010-12-27 16:21:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'll ask GeneJ is she can experiment with me on using the 25 attendee meeting option, as my GoToMeeting account holds only 15 plus the presenter.
2010-12-27 16:22:14 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: We have a GoToWebinar account
2010-12-27 16:22:26 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: we would be happy to make available
2010-12-27 16:22:31 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: it has a 100 person attendee limit
2010-12-27 16:22:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we will determine the meeting place by Thursday of this week...a nd will note it on the blog.
2010-12-27 16:22:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok, thank-you, Scott.
2010-12-27 16:22:38 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ... is drooling
2010-12-27 16:22:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:22:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:23:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Louis --- you mentioned that there is a LOT of diverse discussion on the wiki
2010-12-27 16:23:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: can we talk about the wiki?
2010-12-27 16:23:29 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Yes. It's all very general about items that are quite theoretical.
2010-12-27 16:23:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: where are we stuck?
2010-12-27 16:23:55 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I feel we need to get down to compare the different models in detail.
2010-12-27 16:24:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so we need to draw up an EXCEL worksheet in google docs?
2010-12-27 16:24:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so we can compare field for field?
2010-12-27 16:24:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: is that what you are thinking?
2010-12-27 16:24:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how can we assist?
2010-12-27 16:24:39 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Not field for field. That hides the overall goals.
2010-12-27 16:24:56 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Have to do a higher level. Entity by entity.
2010-12-27 16:25:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok, got that...
2010-12-27 16:25:06 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: ... or GEDCOM Record by record.
2010-12-27 16:25:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ is this where you think www.zotero.org will be useful over the wiki?
2010-12-27 16:25:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-27 16:25:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: is this?
2010-12-27 16:25:55 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Has anyone in the group NOT familiar with Zotero?
2010-12-27 16:26:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: www.zotero.org
2010-12-27 16:26:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I like that when working on an Excel worksheet in Google Docs -- and someone else is also editing it -- that you can see their changes in practically real time.
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2010-12-27 16:26:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: is that how www.zotero.org works too?
2010-12-27 16:26:46 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Zotero is like EndNOTE,
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2010-12-27 16:27:01 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: not sure why my browser keeps throwing me out in the cold
2010-12-27 16:27:11 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: hold your tongue Scott
2010-12-27 16:27:13 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: it is an open source system for organizing and managing sources.
2010-12-27 16:27:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we need a large white-board type thing -- where little sticky notes (colored for each interpretation of GEDCOMey stuff) can be posted, rearranged, etc.
2010-12-27 16:27:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I hold off on Zotero for a better time in the meeting.
2010-12-27 16:27:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: well, it is more word processing isn't it? Or am I crazy?
2010-12-27 16:27:57 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I don't really care what tool. To be honest, the wiki is fine. It retains all history. Why not use it?
2010-12-27 16:28:09 [Action] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: decides not to answer dearmyrtle's latest question.
2010-12-27 16:28:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Lol Tamura!
2010-12-27 16:28:30 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Believe what we need is a structure within which to present the comparisons.
2010-12-27 16:28:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: actually, Louis -- I live that.
2010-12-27 16:28:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: like that
2010-12-27 16:28:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but the columns and rows
2010-12-27 16:28:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and being able to scroll better has its benefits.
2010-12-27 16:29:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (Tamura -- I do like to give you reasons to rack up!)
2010-12-27 16:29:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how about a NEW PAGE at the wiki -- that links to a sharable Google Doc (Excel Worksheet) would that work?
2010-12-27 16:29:44 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: we're discussing comparing pros and cons of different models, right? seems a google doc spreadsheet makes the most sense
2010-12-27 16:29:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: whatever you all need -- we can make it.
2010-12-27 16:30:13 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I like the wiki PAGE ... with the link to the external work space.
2010-12-27 16:30:38 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ seems right to me. If you want to compare existing models, why not do it in the existing wiki.
2010-12-27 16:30:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok --- then be SURE to send me a request Myrt@DearMYRTLE.com with your real email addresses, so I can SHARE a Google Doc worksheet linked for ready reference to a page here on the wiki.
2010-12-27 16:31:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: fortunately Excel will accept hyperlinks -- so link back to the particular discussion ont he wiki for more info?
2010-12-27 16:31:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'll make the worksheet tonight before I sign off... after posting the meeting log.
2010-12-27 16:31:56 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: I think that makes sense Pat
2010-12-27 16:31:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-27 16:32:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anything more about the wiki?
2010-12-27 16:32:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'll put an notice on the main BG wiki page and BG Blog -- about our meeting on the 3rd....
2010-12-27 16:32:48 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: 3rd or 2nd?
2010-12-27 16:32:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and also explain about the workspace.
2010-12-27 16:32:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 3rd Monday.
2010-12-27 16:33:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: monday the 3rd.
2010-12-27 16:33:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 10 am pacific us.
2010-12-27 16:33:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: are we ready to move to the wiki?
2010-12-27 16:33:19 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: to the blog?
2010-12-27 16:33:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sorry.... ;)
2010-12-27 16:34:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Now Russ and I and GeneJ will be working hard to extend invitations to the lurkers -- for our 3rd Jan 2011 mtg.
2010-12-27 16:34:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We can most likely expect Steve Morse as well.
2010-12-27 16:34:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:34:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:34:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ you and Russ have been working hard on the BLOG
2010-12-27 16:34:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: let's table Russ' part of the blog
2010-12-27 16:34:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: until he arrives
2010-12-27 16:34:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: he has been doing some more testing
2010-12-27 16:34:57 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: KK ..
2010-12-27 16:35:04 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I thought you could do just one blanket invite to all Wiki members- didn't I see that somewhere>
2010-12-27 16:35:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and GeneJ I see you have linked to Tamura's acid tests.
2010-12-27 16:35:20 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Russ has been working on those.
2010-12-27 16:35:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ANDY I can do that for the registered members of the wiki.
2010-12-27 16:35:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but we have lurkers who are website developers
2010-12-27 16:35:30 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I've acquired Reunion since the last meeting.
2010-12-27 16:35:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and some software developers who contact me personally from time to time.
2010-12-27 16:35:43 [Action] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: did not use any acid in the creation of the test files.
2010-12-27 16:35:48 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Haven't had a chance for Russ and I to connect on those tests
2010-12-27 16:35:57 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: giggles at Tamura.
2010-12-27 16:36:01 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Ahh.. get Dick et all to mention the meeting in their blogs ;)
2010-12-27 16:36:02 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Ooooo ... just secret spices.
2010-12-27 16:36:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes, I'll send out the notice.
2010-12-27 16:36:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: fortunately we have a strong blogging community
2010-12-27 16:36:38 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I am working on a blog about Zotero. www.zotero.org
2010-12-27 16:36:39 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ: You've "acquired" Reunion? Must have set you back a few million $.
2010-12-27 16:36:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and they are more than painfully aware of GEDCOM shortcomings and are pulling for a real change.
2010-12-27 16:37:08 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: It was a Xmas gift
2010-12-27 16:37:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I think the blog is a very positive component for a variety of reasons, GeneJ....
2010-12-27 16:37:25 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I shoud stop complaining about running genealogy on the win side of the machine.
2010-12-27 16:37:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as there have been some complimentary comments (public and private) from the more "professional" research types....
2010-12-27 16:37:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (read that non-techie!)
2010-12-27 16:38:08 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: tyty
2010-12-27 16:38:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: also, GeneJ your work demonstrates to technical types as well as newbiew researchers
2010-12-27 16:38:22 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: tyty
2010-12-27 16:38:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: just how one develops a research argument
2010-12-27 16:38:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: particularly where the document doesn't
2010-12-27 16:38:48 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: specifically state a family relationship.
2010-12-27 16:38:49 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: yes
2010-12-27 16:38:55 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: we will continue that effort.
2010-12-27 16:39:08 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: and include more pictures, too
2010-12-27 16:39:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: wish that we all had birth, marirage and death records with DNA proof from the time of the creation... but it's not a perfect world.
2010-12-27 16:39:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I've also noted that TMG's mailing list has been wrangling about how the software
2010-12-27 16:39:53 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: handles source fields...
2010-12-27 16:39:56 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: I've enjoyed reading your posts GeneJ
2010-12-27 16:40:05 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Oh, I am honored!
2010-12-27 16:40:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but we've got challenges with RM, Legacy, Reunion, AQ, etc... etc.
2010-12-27 16:40:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I think since the blog, there has been more interaction between those "end user" types
2010-12-27 16:40:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and the "techie types".
2010-12-27 16:40:43 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: TMG and sources is a whole 'nother world when you consider their customizable templates!
2010-12-27 16:40:52 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2010-12-27 16:41:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and who is to say some of the complainers just are inexperienced users or inexperienced researchers.
2010-12-27 16:41:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: you techies sure have yoru work cut out for you.
2010-12-27 16:41:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:41:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:41:30 [Action] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: thinks the idea of a standard is to get everyone in the same world...
2010-12-27 16:41:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: regardless of language
2010-12-27 16:41:51 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods at Tamura.
2010-12-27 16:42:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Is there anything else the blogging side could do for you "techie" types
2010-12-27 16:42:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: to illustrate a point ?
2010-12-27 16:42:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:42:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:42:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what CAN we do to support you?
2010-12-27 16:42:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (moving on to the "roles" portion of the agenda... as you perhaps noticed.)
2010-12-27 16:43:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: has the wiki side
2010-12-27 16:43:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: decided it is better to compose a new standard
2010-12-27 16:43:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: or temporarily patch the exisitng GEDCOM?
2010-12-27 16:43:36 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I think there's disagreement.
2010-12-27 16:43:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that was one of the open questions from last Monday's meeting.
2010-12-27 16:43:47 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Let's compromise--- Let's patch the new standard! :)
2010-12-27 16:43:53 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: rotflol
2010-12-27 16:44:01 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Brilliant suggestion.
2010-12-27 16:44:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ...
2010-12-27 16:44:14 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I believe that comparisons work is what we need ...
2010-12-27 16:44:15 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: WOW, you got the seal of approval from Tamura.
2010-12-27 16:44:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: with the comparisons -- we shall see much emerge, I suspect.
2010-12-27 16:44:34 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Unfortunately, there's no new standard yet to patch.
2010-12-27 16:44:40 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: Is there anyone who would want to patch the old standard?
2010-12-27 16:44:42 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2010-12-27 16:44:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: probably the local duct tape franchise.
2010-12-27 16:45:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-27 16:45:05 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Again, I believe it is the comparisons that are needed
2010-12-27 16:45:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: seriously though.....
2010-12-27 16:45:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we will go forward with the comparison worksheet right after the meeting.
2010-12-27 16:45:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:45:23 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I'd like to start with GEDCOM 6.0 XML draft and fix that.
2010-12-27 16:45:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 16:45:27 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: <-- as a *very* short term goal only- not as a cure
2010-12-27 16:45:48 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2010-12-27 16:46:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We've got 15 minutes --- and we've actually accomplished a great deal.
2010-12-27 16:46:24 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: I'm not that familiar, but wasn't GEDCOM 6.0 little more than GEDCOM, with all its deficiencies, in XML format?
2010-12-27 16:46:30 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Louis, that is what Andy said ;-)
2010-12-27 16:46:35 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: We need to see what is wrong and fix it, and what is essential and missing and add it. To me that is the "patch".
2010-12-27 16:46:56 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Again, I think we need the comparisons.
2010-12-27 16:47:03 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2010-12-27 16:47:07 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: No, "GEDCOM 6.0" is a misnomer. It is quite different.
2010-12-27 16:47:15 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: They had made some changes. I believe Places became an Entity/Record.
2010-12-27 16:47:20 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: All we will do is disagree if we try to agree on theoretical issues
2010-12-27 16:47:34 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: ok, I'll have to review GEDCOM 6.0
2010-12-27 16:47:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: that haven't been worked to the point of presentation
2010-12-27 16:47:43 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: well... let's see what develops this week with the worksheet.
2010-12-27 16:47:51 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: 6.0 should be compared with 5.5 in the spreadsheet, so everyone can see the differences.
2010-12-27 16:47:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and our meeting on Monday will be most enlightening.
2010-12-27 16:47:59 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: err... wiki page AND worksheet
2010-12-27 16:48:14 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: spreadsheet on wiki page?
2010-12-27 16:48:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: My column headings will jsut be place holders, for you techie types to rearranged and rename, etc.
2010-12-27 16:48:33 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: We will have a wiki PAGE and it will link to the spreadsheet, right?
2010-12-27 16:48:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: no, Tamura -- on a shared Google Doc.
2010-12-27 16:48:37 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: we need the wiki page.
2010-12-27 16:48:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes right.
2010-12-27 16:49:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I believe it is still premature to determine an agenda for what to discuss at ROOTSTECH....
2010-12-27 16:49:12 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: wiki-embedded google doc?
2010-12-27 16:49:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: is that possible, Tamura?
2010-12-27 16:49:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: If so, I'd need your help doing it.
2010-12-27 16:49:48 [Action] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: withdraws the previous suggestion.
2010-12-27 16:50:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Suffice it to say, that our BetterGEDCOM work will progress
2010-12-27 16:50:09 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: ;-)
2010-12-27 16:50:17 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Slips Tamura nice fluffy pillow
2010-12-27 16:50:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and we can report on it at RootsTech during the several open forum time periods.
2010-12-27 16:50:31 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: passes around a tray of homemade cookies.
2010-12-27 16:50:42 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: anyone have nut allergies?
2010-12-27 16:50:50 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Google help: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=86101
2010-12-27 16:51:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: virtual cookies have no alergens and no calories! LOL
2010-12-27 16:51:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: thanks, Tamura. I'll do it!
2010-12-27 16:51:15 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: sweet - no calories!
2010-12-27 16:51:28 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: "Centerians of the 1850 U.s. Census" - out in July.
2010-12-27 16:51:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Any new items to discuss?
2010-12-27 16:51:43 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: OPPS! sorry- wrong screen !
2010-12-27 16:51:47 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I would like to discuss Zotero
2010-12-27 16:51:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-27 16:51:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: you've got the mic, now GeneJ.
2010-12-27 16:52:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: how will it help the developers?
2010-12-27 16:52:08 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Is anyone here not familiar with Zotero?
2010-12-27 16:52:39 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Only briefly looked at it.
2010-12-27 16:52:55 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I can't past a web link to the discussion .
2010-12-27 16:53:10 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I've got it open in another window.
2010-12-27 16:53:11 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: message/view/Source+Entity/32067062
2010-12-27 16:53:30 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: There is also video on the Zotero website ..
2010-12-27 16:53:40 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: http://www.zotero.org/support/quick_start_guide
2010-12-27 16:53:54 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: While there are lots of IFs involved
2010-12-27 16:54:01 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: The question I would have is how much of the XML based citation language would be applicable to GEDCOM.
2010-12-27 16:54:20 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Why not add it as one of the Data Models to be included in the comparison.
2010-12-27 16:54:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: good idea.
2010-12-27 16:54:32 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Because I am inept.
2010-12-27 16:54:54 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I can blog about the functionality ...
2010-12-27 16:54:55 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I don't speak XML either. I just read it.
2010-12-27 16:55:01 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: and I can blog about the practicality
2010-12-27 16:55:08 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: but I can't write or propose code.
2010-12-27 16:55:28 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: It does seem that IF BetterGEDCOM
2010-12-27 16:55:35 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Oh. So you can't tell if it actually works well or not. :-)
2010-12-27 16:55:49 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Ooo ... we would need to work with Zotero ..
2010-12-27 16:56:05 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Genealogy citations are not part of Zotero at the present time.
2010-12-27 16:56:23 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Zotero already WORK for other disciplines.
2010-12-27 16:56:26 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: works
2010-12-27 16:57:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: And you are talking historians COULD Use it, but genealogists have more specific citation examples to work into a proof argument?
2010-12-27 16:57:25 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: That is exactly correct, Myrt.
2010-12-27 16:57:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kk... so this is something to watch, eh?
2010-12-27 16:57:46 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: And we like to do things like include web publisher name AND URL
2010-12-27 16:57:46 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: How does Zotero play a role in BetterGEDCOM? Forgive me if I'm a little confused after watching their video demonstration
2010-12-27 16:58:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I'm saying that
2010-12-27 16:58:20 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: I can see how Zotero is helpful in writing papers that need references
2010-12-27 16:58:22 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: we at Better Gedcom should consider working with Zotero
2010-12-27 16:58:28 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: to develop a Genealogy style.
2010-12-27 16:58:48 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: then dovetail the work on BETTERGEDCOM into that particular style set up.
2010-12-27 16:59:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: That may be a desirable goal later on --- I think we have our hands full working with file transfer problems end users experience.
2010-12-27 16:59:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: In doing so, genealogy software then could being to
2010-12-27 16:59:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: "map" to an open sourced standard
2010-12-27 16:59:34 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I agree with dearmyrtle.
2010-12-27 16:59:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: and hopefully it would make the software itself
2010-12-27 17:00:00 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Actually, I disagree
2010-12-27 17:00:12 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I don't think we will reach a reasonable degree of
2010-12-27 17:00:32 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: consensus on source handling without a greater purpose.
2010-12-27 17:01:02 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: But I am happy to save my comments .. looking at the time ... for later.
2010-12-27 17:01:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oen thing to keep in mind is that the work at BetterGEDCOM will come forth in batches --
2010-12-27 17:01:32 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: In effect, Zotero just needs to develop a style for Mills' templates, then software developers agree to all use thos exact templates and software companies agree to abidw by those rules- simple! ;)
2010-12-27 17:02:01 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Actually, tempates can be ADDED to zotero.
2010-12-27 17:02:02 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Simple. If zotero even exists a year from now.
2010-12-27 17:02:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and that marvelously improved source (citation) handling and attaching acanned images and transfering to another user -- are both laudable goals.
2010-12-27 17:02:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: It's the elements in the templates that must be understood by Zotero
2010-12-27 17:02:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Thanks for beginning the discussion of Zotero, GeneJ.
2010-12-27 17:02:41 [IP] hrworth: 68.46.130.122
2010-12-27 17:02:41 [Login] hrworth
2010-12-27 17:02:42 [Join Room] hrworth -> Chat Lobby
2010-12-27 17:02:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: It's now 5pm....
2010-12-27 17:02:50 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ZOTERO exists TODAY
2010-12-27 17:02:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and our time has expired --
2010-12-27 17:03:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I see Russ has arrived.
2010-12-27 17:03:10 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Scott- when and where is tomorrow's OpenGen meeting?
2010-12-27 17:03:40 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: Andy, thanks for asking
2010-12-27 17:03:45 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/387128913
2010-12-27 17:03:55 [Message] appletree2 -> Organizers Meeting: 1pm pacific time, 9pm UTC
2010-12-27 17:03:56 [Disconnect] hrworth
2010-12-27 17:04:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Good luck with your project.
2010-12-27 17:04:03 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Thanks.
2010-12-27 17:04:05 [Login] hrworth
2010-12-27 17:04:05 [IP] hrworth: 68.46.130.122
2010-12-27 17:04:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'll proceed with posting the notes
2010-12-27 17:04:06 [Join Room] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting
2010-12-27 17:04:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (log)
2010-12-27 17:04:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and creating the Google Doc -- (send me your emails for sharing!)
2010-12-27 17:04:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and linking it back to a new wiki page
2010-12-27 17:05:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and referencing our large group meeting on Monday 3rd Jan 2011 at 10am Pacific time. We will determine the location and let everyone know in that meeting announcement.
2010-12-27 17:05:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: any other items on the agenda?
2010-12-27 17:05:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We kept it to 65 minutes.
2010-12-27 17:06:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: if there are no other topics to discuss, I'll close the log....
2010-12-27 17:06:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 5
2010-12-27 17:06:07 [Message] opengen -> Organizers Meeting: Thanks
2010-12-27 17:06:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 4
2010-12-27 17:06:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 3
2010-12-27 17:06:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 2
2010-12-27 17:06:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 1
2010-12-27 17:06:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: THANK-you everyone!
2010-12-27 17:06:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: =============================================
2010-12-27 17:06:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: is this the meeting AFTER the meeting?
2010-12-27 17:07:09 [Disconnect] opengen
2010-12-27 17:07:15 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: You mean, where are the real decision are made? ;-)
2010-12-27 17:07:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'd like to mention that someone wrote to me inquiring why BetterGEDCOM was chosen for the name of the wiki and blog....
2010-12-27 17:07:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that it implied we were only planning to patch up the old GEDCOM format.
2010-12-27 17:07:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-27 17:07:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: My thinking was that it was a recognizable buzz word ---
2010-12-27 17:08:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as opposed to:
2010-12-27 17:08:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Anything is likely to work better than the old gedcom when it comes to file sharing.
2010-12-27 17:08:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: That was just too long a title.
2010-12-27 17:08:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I assume that the final product may not have BetterGEDCOM in the title
2010-12-27 17:09:04 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: So it really is BetterThanGEDCOM?
2010-12-27 17:09:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: "Build a BetterGEDCOM" is what we're about.
2010-12-27 17:09:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Waybetterthangedcom! ;)
2010-12-27 17:09:26 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: so long as we don't end up with *.BEG
2010-12-27 17:09:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: a file extention will have to be determined, that is for sure!
2010-12-27 17:10:04 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Soup's on the table. Regarding Zotaro - will add discussion topic. Gotta go. Bye.
2010-12-27 17:10:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but that is the least of the problems, I'd say, eh?
2010-12-27 17:10:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'll go create the Google DOC, and post an email to everyone
2010-12-27 17:10:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: if you'd like access -- write to me myrt@DearMYRTLE.com
2010-12-27 17:11:10 [Logout] louiskessler
2010-12-27 17:11:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I promise to share your email with only the world's most exclusive spammers!
2010-12-27 17:11:14 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ...maybe link it TO the Wiki page and send the wiki page link to everyone
2010-12-27 17:11:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: thanks everyone!
2010-12-27 17:11:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ni ni all
2010-12-27 17:11:37 [Disconnect] GeneJ
2010-12-27 17:11:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: <---------------------- working on other SCREEN.....
2010-12-27 17:11:43 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: thanks
2010-12-27 17:12:43 [Disconnect] dearmyrtle
2010-12-27 17:12:51 [Disconnect] hrworth
2010-12-27 17:12:56 [Disconnect] TamuraJones